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Exaltation and Spirit Birth

By: Eric Nielson

The doctrine of mankind being children of God is a topic that has become quite important to me. And I have become a believer in a literal spirit birth to Heavenly Parents. I have posted on this topic from various angles in the past.

I made a brief early attempt here.

I wrote a post based on key New Testament scriptures here.

I took a speculative leap based on statements by Widtsoe and Brigham Young here.

I addressed the topic from the idea of Christ as an Elder Brother here.

And I applied a First Presidency message aimed at clearing up any Adam-God confusion to this topic here.

I would now like to address this from our beliefs in what exaltation is like.

One of the unique aspects of Mormonism is its belief in something more than basic salvation. Members of the church have great joy in the gift of grace we receive in the resurrection. We have great hope in receiving a remission of our sins through the atonement of Jesus Christ, and the ordinances of the His gospel. But we also believe that in the Fathers house are many mansions, which has been roughly described in revelation as degrees of glory.

The highest of these degrees of glory is referred to as the Celestial Kingdom. And even this kingdom has levels within it. The highest of these levels is often referred to as Eternal Life or Exaltation, and is the greatest of all the gifts of God.

One of the requirements for this gift is eternal marriage, or being sealed in the temple. This type of marriage does not end at death, but continues throughout eternity. Among the promises made by God to couples who keep the covenants associated with this type of marriage is given in D&C 132:19 which reads in part:

...and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever.

Further we have in the Proclamation 'Gender is an essential characteristic of individual premortal, mortal, and eternal identity and purpose.'

And it is ideas like those above which lead many Mormons like myself to have hope and belief in an exaltation that includes a continuation of a marital relationship, and the bringing forth of spirit children - through some unknown process. And thus the eternal circle of life continues.

Thus, what we believe about our exaltation and eternal life has a potential and profound impact on our preexistent life. And vice-versa.

Print | posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 7:55 PM | Filed Under [ Eric Nielson ]

Comments:

#1: Matt W.

I know we've covered this before, but I think there is safe room to discuss alternate meanings for "a continuation of the seeds ", like the concept of some form of adoption.

Also, I am not sure we can safely use the fact that the promise to us going foreward means that that is the way things were going backward.

Take this for example.

1. We can be like God
2. We can have a continuation of seeds
3. God has a continuation of seeds

1. We can be like God
2. We can play football
3. God plays football
11/13/2007 1:17 PM

#2: Eric Nielson

Huh?

What might the eternal purpose of gender be then? I am sympathetic to those who prefer the adoption of eternal spirits other that spirit birth since there is some scriptural support. But what a description such as seed continuation? Is there much 'prupose' to eternal marriage without some type of seed continuation?

I am unsure about what you are getting at in your examples. But my main question is this:

Does God play golf?
11/13/2007 2:55 PM

#3: anothernonymous

The answer to "Does God play golf" is it doesn't matter, because if he did he would consistently score 18.
11/13/2007 4:13 PM

#4: Eric Nielson

That's pretty good.
11/13/2007 6:34 PM

#5: Tristi Pinkston

So, if we are adopting seed from somewhere else, just who is having those seed? If we're going to say, there is no continuation of birth in the eternities, where are these adopted seeds coming from?

Women who have been unable to give birth in this life have been promised that blessing in the eternities. That sure doesn't sound like adoption to me. They can adopt here. How would adoption in the afterlife fulfill that promise?

11/25/2007 8:23 PM

#6: Eric Nielson

Excellent points Tristi. I am not sure Matt is still following this. I will try to play devils advocate and supply common answers to your questions - though I may not believe them myself.

who is having the seed?

I believe those who believe in some type of spirit adoption believe that the spirit is eternal and that there was no spirit birth event. That the fully formed spirit body has always existed and can not be created nor made. They may say the term 'spirit' and 'intelligence' are the same thing.

where are these adopted seeds comming from?

Interesting questions. If there are no seeds, and spirts are eternal, you begin to have the situation where you run out of spirits. You would then not need any more motality for anyone. The plan would come to an end.

How would adoption fulfill that promise?

I don't believe it would. Some might say that this adoption can be thought of as 'real'. Maybe even better than spirit children.
11/26/2007 6:44 AM

#7: Tristi Pinkston

I like it better my way. :) Thanks for trying to explain his point of view, but I think his POV is just as confusing to me as ours must be to him. I do believe in eternal families and that we'll continue to have and raise children. That's the only thing that feels right to me.
11/26/2007 1:52 PM

#8: Eric Nielson

Me to.
11/26/2007 3:04 PM

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