My Links

Bloggernacle Links

  • Mormon Archipelago
  • Mormon Blogs
  • LDSelect
  • LDS Blogs

Article Categories

Post Categories

Archives

Other LDS Blogs

Our Individual Blogs

Destiny and Divine Micromanagement (Part 3)

By: The Baron

Suppose, one day, you hear about a tragic car accident.  The car was driving along the highway, hit a wet patch on the road, the driver lost control, flipped the car and then died in the resulting crash.  Suppose this driver was a 25-year-old temple-worthy returned missionary man in the prime of his life, leaving a wife and young infant without a husband and a father.

Many people struggle with 'bad' things happening to 'good' people.  In their efforts to explain such happenings, there are three primary angles they take:

(1)  Bad things DON'T happen to good people--it just seems like it because we don't know the whole story about just how 'bad' those people really are.  ("That guy *obviously* must have been driving back from buying alcohol or pornography or something when he got in that accident and we just don't know it.  God wouldn't have 'taken' him otherwise...")

(2) It was because of God's "master plan" which we can't really comprehend, but there is divine purpose behind it all.  ("Obviously, God called him to return to do some important missionary work in the spirit world or something...")

(3) There is no 'master plan' or divine purpose to the crash, because there is no 'divine'--it was due entirely to random chance and there's no higher meaning behind the accident, or anything else that happens on Earth.  ("This is just one more sign God doesn't exist, because if there WAS a God, there would be more logic and 'justice'  behind who dies and who doesn't...")

People who purport answer #1 are few (but still present).  There's no evidence that personal righteousness plays a major role in determining accidents, diseases, or other tragic circumstances (although you can see the same sort of attitude in the Book of Job, where Job's friends basically say to him, "Are you *sure* you're as righteous as you think you are?  Because, after all, if you *were* this wouldn't have happened to you, right?")

The majority of people usually divide themselves between #2 and #3--and usually along strictly religious lines.  If you believe in God at all, you generally explain tragedies by being all part of "God's will"  and "God's master plan" that we just can't understand at this time.  If you don't believe in God, then, of course, there's no reason to look for meaning or order within the chaos of the world.  Accidents and diseases just happen, and "God" has nothing to do with it.

Is there a fourth option?  Something that lies between #2 and #3--where God exists, but doesn't necessarily 'arrange' tragedies and diseases according to some master plan?  How viable you consider option "#2 1/2" depends partially on how you answer the 'micro-management' question from the previous section.  Perhaps it's God's will and master plan for us to live in a world where tragedies can occur, but not necessarily that *that* tragedy would occur to that person at that point in time.

Looking at the issue analytically, when a car accident like the hypothetical one mentioned above happens, there are a number of factors that play a part:
  • How fast was the car going?
  • How wet was the roadway?
  • What kind of tires the car had, and in what shape were they?
  • How closely was the driver paying attention to the situation?
Throw these variables into the basic laws of physics that govern the universe in terms of force, mass, acceleration, velocity, and friction, and you can almost mathematically determine that the resulting accident would have occurred.  (And, note, that physics equations care not a whit for personal righteousness).  "Random" car accidents are not actually random, in other words--they are caused by an intersection of any number of factors that resulted in (in this case) fatal results.

If this is true, we can say the accident had very little to do with any 'divine plan'--implying that God planned and purposefully caused the car to flip through divine power to fulfill it.  (Whether God foresees the accident, and/or could have prevented it, are separate issues)  Perhaps there is room for a theory where God exists...but some things just happen without any higher meaning.

(Even disease and birth defects are not entirely random--genes, pollution, and lifestyle habits are all factors in when and how disease or birth defects arise.  Again, largely according to natural laws in place since the foundation of the world that require no direct divine interference.)

Why this matters:  In many cases when a tragedy such as the one above happens, faithful members will try to console themselves and others with the thoughts from option #2--that this is all part of a divine master plan which we can't really understand.

And many times, this reasoning ultimately fails.  ("My husband was 'needed in the Spirit World'?", the young widow might think, "Out of ALL the spirits in the universe, there wasn't *anyone* else that could have done it?  And now there's no one here to be a father to his children, also an important part--I thought--of God's master plan?  I don't buy it...")

And when Church members can't bring themselves to believe in #2 wholeheartedly, they oftentimes end up--guess where?--in option #3 instead, where they no longer believe in God and the divine at all, because the 'master plan' idea just doesn't make sense given what they know.

What if they're right?  Perhaps option #2 doesn't make sense...but the answer is not to lose faith in God entirely, but rather to find that middle ground where one realizes perhaps God's plan is not nearly as micromanaged as people may make it sound.  Perhaps the accident was something that just happened, and while God has created a world where we have sadness and tragedy as experiences for spiritual growth, there's no real need to 'arrange' specific experiences because the existing laws of the universe (and the daily interaction of millions of spirits with free agency) automatically creates enough experiences for spiritual growth such that direct divine intervention and manipulation is unnecessary.

There is, and always will be, some uncertainty about the direct role of the divine in the events of the world.  Does D&C 59:21 ("And in nothing doth man offend God, or against none is his wrath kindled, save those who confess not his hand in all things...") imply more of a micromanaged world, or does the context imply this section is talking more about the creation of all things, rather than the arrangement of all things.

How do we reconcile the idea that God is "in control", with the fact that He was willing to sacrifice one third of His spirit children in order to preserve true free agency for mankind...and thus would not be likely to compromise free agency from day to day arranging events in people's lives?  Perhaps He's "in control" in that all spirits are known to Him and all will have equal opportunity to achieve their full eternal potential...without promising anything about specific events and challenges that happen day to day in mortal life.

Many athletes are quick to credit God for their victory and triumph in sports...but paradoxically few blame God for their defeats.  That same sort of contradiction can be found in the LDS world as well, where we are quick to credit God for any perceived blessing (small or large) but not as certain how much to "blame" God by the same token for our tragedies and failures.  I suspect that the uncertainty of the role of the divine in our lives will always remain a mystery...

Print | posted on Friday, November 30, 2007 11:04 AM | Filed Under [ The Baron ]

Comments:

#1: Eric Nielson

Again, I think it would take personal revelation to know on a case by case basis.

I have not had great trials in my life, but I have had trials. The thought that God would just dump us in a world of cold, meaningless, mathematical cause and affect is horrifying to me. So I find myself always giving God the benefit of the doubt in terms of having some purpose behind the events of our lives. Even the bad things (See Hebrews 12).

Even if this purpose is nothing more than - let's see how old Eric responds to this. There is still purpose.

I also think that many of the events that seem evil now will seem less evil later.
11/30/2007 3:16 PM

#2: Geoff J.

The ancient "problem of evil" still remains that -- a problem.
11/30/2007 3:20 PM

#3: Tess Prior

I have been struggling with a certain disease since my 5th birthday. When people tell me that it is something "God gave me" to teach me a lesson, it makes me either a) feel like there is no God or b) question God's nature. However, when I approach it as something that happened-- just a bad roll of the genetic dice--but as something through which I am able to improve my character and my knowledge, that I find quite inspiring and faith promoting. I don't think that God gave me the disease even though I know He has the power to take it away if He wants to. So I guess that puts me in the same category as the athletes who thank God when things go well, but don't curse Him when things don't work out. I don't really have an answer for any of this. I wish I did. I'll think about it some more...
11/30/2007 7:52 PM

#4: Ray

Honestly, I just live my life and figure I'll understand these things after I'm dead. I think He intervenes when it is critical to His big picture (for individuals and societies and the world), and He doesn't when it isn't. I really don't spend much time trying to figure out stuff I'm convinced I can't understand more fully - and this is one of those things. (How can I understand that He connected me with my wife but also allowed the Holocaust and persecution of the early Saints? I don't try to answer that one.) I tend to thank Him for the good stuff and not blame Him for the bad stuff. (I figure if I'm wrong in any particular instance, at least I'm giving Him the benefit of the doubt each time.)
11/30/2007 8:13 PM

#5: Jacob M

I have blamed God before for some of the stuff that's happened in my life. I would even include it in some of my prayers. It is at those times that I drew closer to Him than ever before. I think He responds better to that, because you are actually approaching him with a deep concern from your heart.

But, all that said, sometimes His answers have been that He didn't really have anything to do with what had happened to me. That it was the result of other people's choices (or just as often my own). So I don't really know where the balance lies for this. But I think that finding out about how the world works, and by learning to see how God works will lead us each to a better understanding.
12/1/2007 1:31 PM

#6: Tristi Pinkston

Very thought-provoking.

In the case of the car accident, I think it most likely happened because of the road conditions, etc. But it can be used to strengthen the wife and child left behind. Brigham Young said (and I paraphrase) that everything we endure is necessary to our exaltation. If we are given a trial, regardless of where it comes from, be it from God, from nature, or wherever -- the way we handle it and the things we learn from it will help us gain the things we need for our exaltation.

I don't believe God causes all trials. There are things He allows to happen. He doesn't interfere with free agency, and so if someone does something, out of their free agency, that hurts us, rather than stopping that person, He'll help us forgive and He'll help us learn from it. It will also add up to that hurtful person's condemnation if they don't repent.

I don't know what's up with you guys, but you sure do inspire me to pontificate. :)
12/2/2007 1:40 AM

#7: Stady Canton

There have been many stories told of where God does "step in" when bad things happer/are about to hapoen and I think that's what's confusing to most of us, myself included.

What angers me most is the idea that God needs someone else to sin against us to experience x/y/z and thus become a better person. 100% false, but I've heard people use #2 to reconcile the sexual abuse they've suffered. "It was part of God's plan for me." There's a program through LDS Family services for abused women that teaches this, along with the idea that victims of abuse need to repent so they can be reconciled to God again after the terrible sins have separated them from God.
12/2/2007 11:13 PM

#8: Ray

Stady, If that is accurate, it is wrong and sad. Plain and simply wrong. I will check with our LDS Family Services rep in this area. If so, I hope it is changed.
12/3/2007 5:25 AM

#9: Stady Canton

Ray, ask specifically about the SOLE* group for women. I can't speak for individual counselors in private sessions, but this program uses a manual in the group therapy.

(Survivors Of Life's Experiences)
12/3/2007 10:30 AM

#10: Tess Prior

My goodness, Stady that's horrifying. Seriously, they teach that victims need to repent? I have had friends and family members go through LDS social services for help coping with sexual abuse but none have ever said that they were told they had to repent. Quite the opposite. What does SOLE stand for? Anything? Does anyone else have any information about this?
12/3/2007 4:46 PM

#11: Stady Canton

When confronted with the idea that abuse victims were innocent of sin, he talked about a client who'd put himself in an iffy situation prior to being sexually assaulted, and that was another thing for which he should repent. He drew a diagram on the board that showed a person thrown away from the circle representing God and that repentence was needed to put oneself closer to God, no matter what the reason one was separated in the first place.

SOLE stands for Survivors Of Life's Experiences. It is recommended for women dealing with abuse and/or divorce.

I haven't found anything online about it, though. Our ward was given a handout a few months ago outlining the resources from the Mesa Arizona LDS Family Services and SOLE was listed. I think I've recycled it, but I'll poke around my papers a bit just in case.
12/3/2007 7:17 PM

#12: Ray

Thanks for the detail, Stady. That certainly doesn't match official doctrine, so I hope it is an outdated concept that has been abandoned. Like I said, I will check with our local rep.
12/3/2007 7:54 PM

#13: Tess Prior

Likewise. I wasn't aware of this at all. Thanks for the information, Stady.
12/4/2007 6:27 PM

#14: Tigersue

My husband works with Sex offenders, and those that have dealt with sex offenses.
Although he and I can not speak to the exact program mentioned, I would dare say it is slightly misrepresented here but Stady.
I have looked at several books and read several books for those that have been effected by sexual abuse, "the repentance" that is usually suggested is one of letting go of anger, repenting of mistakes made. It is NOT to blame the abused for the abuse! I have never ever heard of a program that does that.

We all have things that we need to repent for and to truly get over the abuse we have to repent of what is keeping us close to good. Part of that is turning everything over to God's hands.

Now to the topic at hand. I firmly believe in the scenario that you have provided that if the person killed in the accident was to live, something would happen to help that person survive. Accidents do happen, it is part of life, but God can and will intervene when needed. I had a friend who had been in several accidents and miraculously survived them all, until the last one. Why was he preserved that long? I don't know. His life ended much too soon, but it should have ended at least 10 or 15 years earlier.

As for many challenges we face, I think we were told and given choice before we came to this life. If choice is so important to our Creator, than I think we were given options, and shown what the consequences of our choices could be. I think, that because we had not experienced a body, we could not envision how hard it would be, but I do firmly believe that choice is a matter in many, many different situations.
12/7/2007 8:20 AM

#15: Belladonna

I just got back from my trip to Mexico and thought I'd catch up on topics here. Oh my goodness, you have been doing some serious pondering while I've been gone!
I believe that God DOES hear and answer prayers - I have had MANY absolute solid experiences that stand as evidence of this. (that part of course is part of just about every Christian faith). As far as whether God makes XYZ happen in order to produce some other event down the road.... I honestly don’t know. What I think is that God can use ALL THINGS for good. He does not CAUSE car wrecks or football win/loss or multi-national corporate mergers. But he DOES use those things, and any number of OTHER things, to bring to pass His divine plan.
The events that happened to bring my husband and I together are beyond weird. If a certain frozen yogurt machine had not been busted on a particular day there is simply no way I can imagine we would have ever ended up together. Did God CAUSE that machine to break? I don't believe so. But he used the events that unfolded to make it possible for one very scattered girl to meet the man who would change her life. I still had lots of choices along the way that could have gone either direction. Even now I don't know if I buy that it was "meant to be" for us to be together. I am just very, very grateful that we are.
Rather than come down on either side - 1) life is random OR 2) life is continually being manipulated by God-- I am inclined to say BOTH are true. Much of life IS random. Yet in key specific ways, events are shaped and shifted by God.
SOME things happen due to the choices I make.
SOME things happen due to the choices other people make.
SOME things happen due to the nature of this fallen mortal world.
SOME things happen because God causes them to happen in order to fit into His Divine plan.
It is not possible for me to see the full picture to always determine which is which. But that’s ok. I know that God is real. I know that He is conscious of me at a cellular level. He knows my every emotion. He knows my strengths and He knows my needs. He knows before it happens what I will choose in every situation, not because He is directing it or manipulating it, but because He has the omniscience of understanding my nature so well He can foresee whether I will zig or zag. The outcome of it all is essentially settled for God. But I still need to go through the motions of this complicated life because I need to learn and experience.
When Abraham took Isaac up on the mountain to sacrifice him God already knew what would happen, so in that way it wasn't really a "test". But ABRAHAM did not know what would happen until it all unfolded. And both Abraham and Isaac needed to go through that experience for their own spiritual growth.
I don't think the things we go through really are set in our path to TEST us in God's eyes. But I believe He does use whatever occurs to shape our understanding and give us the chance to strengthen ourselves and others. Clearly, the very same sort of experiences strengthen some people and embitter others. That's where free will comes in. We may not get to choose what will happen to us but we do choose how we will define it and how we will respond to it.
Right now I am waiting to find out if I will get a certain job I have applied for. This job would involve me moving across the country and returning to the state where all of my grandchildren live. I believe it is a righteous desire to want to be near my family and I believe it could have eternal consequences for good for many generations to come to have us live there where we could be a righteous influence for our posterity. So I’ve been praying A LOT that this opportunity be opened for us. But I must admit I wiffle waffle back and forth about whether God will change the outcome. What about all the other people who are praying for the very same job? Does He have some sort of litmus test to see who among us has the most faith? Does He measure how my living in Michigan vs. Oregon will impact on the big picture divine plan as compared to all the other people who have also applied? I have NO CLUE how that works.
There’s just no way I can sort out the details of how God’s will influences our lives. I believe we DID understand that when we lived in His presence in the pre-existence. I suspect part of the purpose of this mortal phase of our eternal existence is to live without that knowledge and muddle through the best that we can. So I just return to my all time favorite scripture which says: Believe in God; believe that he is, and that he created all things, both in heaven and in earth; believe that he has all wisdom, and all power, both in heaven and in earth; believe that man doth not comprehend all the things which the Lord can comprehend.”</b> Mosiah 4:9
12/7/2007 2:39 PM

#16: Eric Nielson

As far as Michigan vs. Oregon, I am afraid that already happened. Oregon won, and Lloyd Carr resigned.
12/7/2007 3:02 PM

#17: Ray

and there was lamentation throughout Ohio, since Carr couldn't win the big game. :-)
12/7/2007 3:58 PM

#18: Belladonna

Huh? Must be a sports reference, to which I am oblivious. However, after the time we spent at Xcaret I've decided if there are ever any national teams willing to play Mayan fireball I could become an avid fan!
12/8/2007 7:24 AM

Post Comment:

Name  
Email
Url
Comment   
Please add 3 and 4 and type the answer here:

Powered by: