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What Are Intelligences Anyway??

By: Eric Nielson

A unique doctrine of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is that of a pre mortal existence. We believe that we existed as spirits prior to our mortal life on earth. The church teaches that God is our Heavenly Father, and that He is the father of our spirits. We believe that Christ is the first born of all the spirit children of Heavenly Father.

The belief in Jesus as the firstborn spirit child of God suggests a sequence where Christ was first, and others came after. This spirit birth event must therefore take place at a point in time. And after that point in time - for all eternity - we will be a spirit child of God. But what manner of beings were we prior to this spirit birth event?

Joseph Smith taught that matter could not be created nor made, and that this is also the case with intelligence. And if we are eternal beings, as Joseph taught, then we must have existed in some fashion prior to a spirit birth. Many members of the church would refer to this pre spirit birth form of existence as being 'intelligences'. This term was probably first forwarded in a meaningful way by BH Roberts, and an article written by him was published in the Improvement Era and can be found here.

As far as I know, there has been little to nothing revealed to the world regarding what intelligences are. And I feel this can safely be made the subject of speculation, as long as it is regarded as speculative. I certainly do not claim any special knowledge or personal revelation in this area. But I would like to present what I see as a few possibilities as to what intelligences are. If we can agree for the moment that intelligences are what we were prior to a spirit birth event then models would include:

Intelligences and Spirits are the same thing.

This line of thinking suggests that perhaps a spirit birth is not a literal thing, and that a spirit birth event is nothing more than some type of covenant relationship between an intelligence/spirit and God. Spirit birth is then more of an adoption type of relationship. In this model, our full spirit bodies are eternal, and were never created nor made.

Intelligences are to Spirits as Spirits are to Mortal Bodies.

This model suggests that a spirit birth event provided a spirit body in which an intelligence could dwell in much the same way as our mortal birth provided a mortal body in which our spirits dwell. The possibility that intelligences might have some matter and form associated with them is maintained. As is the possibility of a literal spirit birth.

Intelligences as Spirit Matter.

This model would suggest that the matter that ultimately goes into the creation (or organization of) our spirit bodies is eternal. But that this spirit matter did not have an individual mind or will of it's own prior to spirit birth.

Intelligences as Free Will Itself.

This model would suggest that intelligences had no matter associated with them, yet exist eternally. A spirit birth event then provided this 'mind' or 'will' with a material form for the first time.

Well, those are the major possibilities as I see them. From what little I have read, it does not appear Roberts took much of a stand as to what intelligences are. McConkie seemed to be in the Intelligences as Spirit Matter camp. I currently favor the Intelligences are to Spirits as Spirits are to Mortal Bodies thoughts.

What think ye? Have I missed categories, or badly messed up the ones I presented?

Print | posted on Tuesday, February 05, 2008 4:47 AM | Filed Under [ Eric Nielson ]

Comments:

#1: Doc

It seems to me that BH Roberts with his idea of spirit birth would had to have taken a intelligence:spirit as spirit:intellignece approach. I kind of like the free will idea, but have a hard time reconciling it with Rocks and all things made having intelligence. They would have to communicate like bugs and trees in Orson Scott Card's Speaker for the Dead. Its a mysterious word.
2/5/2008 6:22 AM

#2: Eric Nielson

Speaker for the dead was a weird book.

Now that I think of it more, the Spirit Matter and the Free Will explanations could go together.
2/5/2008 6:35 AM

#3: Seth R.

Well, however it happened... Somehow I doubt exalted beings create spirit children by having sex, whatever my high school seminary teacher says...
2/5/2008 8:48 AM

#4: Eric Nielson

Seth:

Yeah, I thought that someone might say that. But I think this discussion can move forward without getting into the details of what spirit birth means.
2/5/2008 9:19 AM

#5: J. Stapley

Not to re-hash previous conversations, but it is important to note that general authorities have used the term differently throughout history. I think it is important to note that Joseph Smith and the revelation in Abraham (ch. 3 - love vs. 18) use intelligences and spirits synonymously.
2/5/2008 9:48 AM

#6: Eric Nielson

Thanks J:

I do think that inexact terms with vague definitions is part of the source of .... mystery. Spirit, mind, will, soul, intelligence, etc. could all use inspired definitions. Maybe someday.
2/5/2008 10:11 AM

#7: Geoff J.

The title of this post is vaguely familiar to me...
2/5/2008 11:47 AM

#8: Eric Nielson

Thanks for the link Geoff. I had forgotten that one, but it does not surprise me that you posted on it. Very well presented as always.
2/5/2008 12:29 PM

#9: aquinas

I understand several people have already discussed this issue at length on other blogs previously, but I'd like to chime in here. I found this statement interesting: "And if we are eternal beings, as Joseph taught, then we must have existed in some fashion prior to a spirit birth. Many members of the church would refer to this pre spirit birth form of existence as being 'intelligences'."

I find it interesting because I was expecting this sentence instead: "And if we are eternal beings, as Joseph taught, then we must have existed in some fashion prior to birth. Many members of the church would refer to this pre-mortal form of existence as being 'intelligences'." It seems to me that in this regard, some individuals are advancing a form of pre-pre-mortal existence.

At any rate, I think it is a useful exercise to catalogue the various models that exist. I also think it would be helpful to delineate the origin and history of each model, identifying the proponents (as some have done) and most importantly, discussing the implications of each model.

Incidentally, I am wondering whether the first model "intelligences as spirits" properly falls under the rubric of "possibility" (i.e. speculation). I would agree with J. Stapley that the Abraham text uses intelligences and spirits interchangeably. Thus, it would seem to me that the de facto position would be that intelligences and spirits are the same, at least with regards to its usage in the Abraham text.

Suppose we have a spectrum or range from established doctrine at one end and speculation on the other end. Which model falls closer to the speculation end, and which model falls closer to established doctrine end? Which model seems fair well when measured against established doctrines such as the 'eternality of man' and agency? Which model seems to require the most steps in reasoning beyond what is explicit in the text?
2/6/2008 5:56 PM

#10: Eric Nielson

I think what you are suggesting might be more of a book, or serious article and not a simple blog post. I really do not have the time talent or resources to be very thorough.

My basic understanding is this:

Joseph gave us the glimpse of eternal spirits/intelligences in the King Follet Discourse and a few verses in the D&C.

Brigham gave us a glimpse (or was it Eliza R. Snow?) of spirit birth and a Mother in Heaven.

BH Roberts came along and tried to resolve the apparent contradiction with presenting a type of tripartite model (or pre pre motal life)

Orson Pratt gave us something .... kinda weird (see Geoffs post)
2/7/2008 7:03 AM

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