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The "Attempted Murder" Theory of Sin

By: The Baron

The word "sin" is defined as: 'a transgression of divine law'

Not surprisingly, though, definitions of what actually constitutes a sin vary between religions.

Let's assume--as is logical--that with only one true God, there is only one true 'divine law', and thus one true definition as to what is a 'sin' and what isn't.  This leads to a question of what happens in God's eyes when conflicting definitions of 'sin' arise.

For example, Jews (and some Christian denominations) hold the Sabbath to be Saturday.  Most other Christians, including Latter-Day Saints, hold it to be Sunday.  Suppose we have "Mike" who's Jewish, and "Max" who's LDS.  Both of them do some 'Sabbath-breaking" activity (according to their religion's definition, whatever it may be): Mike on Saturday, Max on Sunday.

Taking the view of one God and one definition of divine law suggests that, fundamentally, one of the two of them is 'off the hook'.  God either considers the Sabbath to be Saturday, or Sunday and thus (at least) one of them is not actually a 'Sabbath-breaker'.  (You can use a similar thought experiment with, say, a Catholic who uses birth control, and a Mormon who drinks alcohol, for example...)

Further analysis seems to suggest it's not that black and white.  So, okay, Mike (or Max) didn't actually break the Sabbath according to God's true divine law...but he tried.  Doesn't that count for something?

Years back, I heard a stand-up routine discussing 'attempted murder'.  "Murder is bad and is punished severely," it went, "but 'attempted' murder gets a much smaller punishment.  Why is that?  You still tried to kill someone...you just missed!"

Likewise, wouldn't you suppose that God would recognize that trying to deliberately transgress divine law...but missing, due to differing opinions on what the divine law is, wouldn't let someone entirely 'off the hook'?  Essentially, we're talking about 'attempted murder'--you didn't actually end up committing a sin, but you tried...and perhaps paradoxically ending up committing a sin anyway.

This suggests the reasonable conclusion that God judges us not only by His own divine law, but also by whatever view of the divine law we ourselves hold.    Even a "Mormon" God might still ask Mike in the end, "Were you a good Jew?", and judge him accordingly.

Now, there are two extremes which this thought can be taken to:

(1)  Using this logic, would a Catholic who converts and becomes LDS would then still be judged by Catholic standards, rather than LDS standards?

Depends on the situation:  a Catholic priest who takes a vow not to marry, but then meets missionaries and becomes LDS, and later marries an LDS sister (this happened in my mission) wouldn't count--assuming God is "Mormon"--because one is superseding older covenants with God with newer ones.  (A priest who broke his vows and married without replacing them with new ones could still fall under the 'attempted murder' corollary as above, even with marriage in fact being honorable for all.  The point here would be making a covenant and then breaking it, not *just* getting married...)

(2) If one can be judged for committed something that they thought was a sin, even though in the end it wasn't, to what extent can you be judged for doing something that *you* didn't think was a sin, but actually is, in God's eyes?

Here we find some gray area, as just believing that's it's okay to murder 'infidels', for example, probably doesn't automatically make it okay in God's eyes...but are all judgments for all people exactly the same, or will God temper (or heighten) judgment based on the light each person has received?  ("To whom much is given, much is required...")

Discussion questions:
  • How much does 'intent' factor into 'culpability' in God's eyes?
  • How does absolute law versus personal (relative) law play a part in determining guilt?  Is there perhaps an absolute baseline for judgment, which can be added (or subtracted) another relative measure depending on the person?
  • Is it 'just' if God, for example, when faced with two people who committed the same sin, gives a lighter punishment to one and a harsher punishment to another because He feels the latter had a more pure knowledge that what he was doing was wrong, according to his own religious beliefs?

Print | posted on Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:45 AM | Filed Under [ The Baron ]

Comments:

#1: Drew

"...for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart." -1 Sam. 16: 7

There are two personal beliefs that being LDS allows me to ascribe to that I hold most near and dear to my heart -

1. All will have an opportunity to accept or reject the Gospel
2. All will be held accountable for living a moral and just life they could with the light and knowledge they had.

With these beliefs in mind, I also believe that if someone does not live a moral and just life with the light and knowledge they have they will be held accountable.

If you thought the Sabbath was on Saturday and broke it, would you have kept it if it were on Sunday?

If someone chooses willfully to not live according to a principal or teaching in their respective faith because they have received personal revelation and acceptance that the principal or teaching is not true, then I do not believe God will hold them accountable because to them it was not light and knowledge.

For example, if a religion taught that someone had to accept Baal as their Savior and they did not do so because they felt it was not truth, God will not hold them accountable.

The trick here if that person truly received a witness or had a lack thereof that a principal or teaching was not correct or did they come to this conclusion out of convenience. This is where I believe God's judgment of the heart comes into play.

Maybe this is to simplistic of a view, but I find great comfort in it.





2/13/2008 12:38 PM

#2: Eric Nielson

Ok, I'll bite.

How much does 'intent' factor into 'culpability' in God's eyes?

As a man thinketh so is he. Intent is probably the whole ball of wax in my view. Attempted murder can be looked at as coming up short. If someone really wanted to kill someone, they would be sure to finish the job. Someone who sort of makes a half-hearted effort at murder and chickens out has less intent. God of course will ultimately judge this intent. Man looketh on the outward appearance, God looks on the heart.

How does absolute law versus personal (relative) law play a part in determining guilt? Is there perhaps an absolute baseline for judgment, which can be added (or subtracted) another relative measure depending on the person?

Personally, I think there is absolute law that even God must obey or he would cease to be God. I do not think that our earth life will be all the evidence taken into account. It may even be a small part. We may not at this time be able to articulate eternal law, but I believe there is such a thing which God comprehends and follows.

Is it 'just' if God, for example, when faced with two people who committed the same sin, gives a lighter punishment to one and a harsher punishment to another because He feels the latter had a more pure knowledge that what he was doing was wrong, according to his own religious beliefs?

Anything God does will be just. There will be no respect of persons. The atonement and judgement will be in perfect harmony with eternal law.
2/13/2008 12:45 PM

#3: kwk

I've got to think that there are a few murderers out there that come out to be "less evil" than some people who haven't used their agency to end another's mortal probation. Some people just aren't given the means to fully actualize their "sin potential". Also, how will you be judged for things you are compelled to do with a gun to your head?

It's tough though, because the physical acting out of sin is obviously a big deal. When God has taught us commandments through the scriptures, they sure sound pretty absolute.

Personally, I believe that there are no absolutes with sin. Every sin and every good deed is unique, and judgment goes far beyond moving your righteousness state back and forth on a one dimentional line.
2/13/2008 4:07 PM

#4: Drew

kwk,

amen.
2/13/2008 7:58 PM

#5: rikker

In light of your Sat/Sun Sabbath example, here's something to consider regarding the relativity of commandments:

In Hong Kong, the church has sacrament services every day of the week. So many working people, like maids, cannot choose which day off per week they get. So the church lets them observe the Sabbath on whichever day they have off. This is a special circumstance allowed by church authorities for this particular corner of the wolrd.

I think it's a good example of relativity and intent as being primary in keeping many (if not most or all) commandments.
2/14/2008 12:59 AM

#6: Jacob J

This post brings up a set of questions I find very interesting. The logic in the post is too legalistic for my taste, though. The idea that breaking the Sabbath has anything to do with getting the day of the week right seems simply absurd to me. I posted a while back on my basic approach to this issue and argued that when judging people, the only thing that makes any sense is to judge them in the context of their own beliefs and intents. So, if someone believes the Sabbath is on Saturday, then how they keep Saturday holy is the only thing that is relevant to their observance of the Sabbath. This, of course, leads to the conclusion that trying to murder someone is morally equivalent to actually killing them, at least with respect to judging the attempted murderer.

At this point, I think it becomes important to introduce the idea that the morality of the event (the attempted murdre as opposed to the successful murder) is vastly different, which ends up having ramifications on practical ethics.
2/14/2008 2:10 PM

#7: The Baron

The original post at the end accepts that the strict 'legalistic' approach doesn't get you too far, whether in regards to Sabbath breaking or anything...

The key question is how to judge 'intent' versus 'results'. The scriptures make clear good deeds with bad intent are counted less than the same deed with good intent, which implies just achieving good results isn't enough. Likewise, what happens if two people 'intend' to murder someone, one of them is just more incompetent than the other? Legally, I don't believe you can credibly punish them both the same since the 'results' differed, but perhaps God--who may care more about intent than results, since results might not really matter in the eternities--will?
2/14/2008 5:02 PM

#8: Jacob J

When judging people, I agree that God is focused on the intent rather than the outcome, but I don't think it is because results don't really matter in the eternities. I think that results do matter in the eternities, but that as we progress in knowledge our intent comes much more into line with outcome than it is today. Today, people commonly create rather atrocious results even with the best of intentions. I think that must be solved before we are ready to take on anything approaching godlike power.
2/14/2008 6:28 PM

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