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Living on the "True" Side of the Street

By: The Baron

On a certain street in a certain (imaginary) town there are two houses that lie directly across from each other.  Within each house lives a different LDS family, although as it happens the local ward boundaries travel down the middle of the street in front of them, thus these two families happen to belong to separate wards despite their close proximity.

The woman living on the north side of the road serves as Sunday School teacher, and feels spiritually fulfilled as she has meaningful gospel interaction with her students week after week.  She has a good relationship with her home and visiting teachers, who were very supportive when her husband was injured last year, bringing food and helping with yard work as needed.  She has been happy to participate in ward endeavors spearheaded by the bishopric and RS president to make sure all ward members have basic needs and are cared for.  Going to church each week is a joyous and fulfilling experience, enhanced by the positive attitude and actions of those around her.

The woman living on the south side of the road has never seen her home teachers in two years, even when she was sick and tried to arrange a blessing.  Her visiting teachers did visit once, but spent the visit encouraging her to join in their multi-level marketing company.   (After she refused, they haven’t returned…)

She’s held a primary calling for the last two years and hates it, but hasn’t been released because—in the helpful words of the bishopric—‘that’s where women should be’.  True, she doesn’t particularly miss going to Relief Society, after she found out the Relief Society president had spread a rumor about her and her husband's sex life to half the ward since they only have one kid.  She would like to go to Sunday School every once in a while, though, although her husband said the teacher spent last week campaigning for the local Republican congressman and making racist comments about illegal immigrants, so she didn't miss much.

Her current struggles involve her teenage son who wants to stay home on Sundays because the other Young Men bully and tease him, while the YM president doesn’t seem to notice or care.  And every once in a while, she’ll get a call from one of her neighbors wondering, somewhat desperately, if anyone knows where her husband is.  (As it happens, he’s having an affair with the primary president).

Obviously, there is only one correct conclusion to draw from these two disparate experiences:  the Church must be ‘true’ on one side of the road, but not the other.

Well, okay, that’s not really defensible from a logical perspective…but how else should we interpret these two stories where one woman in one ward can have a vastly different experience with the members around her than a woman in another ward?

Many members struggle with the varying amounts of un-Christ-like behavior they witness from people around them who should ‘know better’.  Virtually all members, no matter their location, will have to come to terms sooner or later with imperfections within the members of their own religious community.

Many of those struggling members share they experience a 'crisis of faith' when faced with such circumstances (here’s one such recent thread).  They *know*, fundamentally, they can’t expect perfection from church members, including leaders—that’s even LESS defensible a proposition—but there’s still the feeling that, “If this Church were REALLY the Lord’s true Church, the members should be more righteous then they are.  Sure, there will always be some wickedness…but certainly not THIS much!”

The problem is: this isn’t any more defensible at its core than the expectation of perfection is.  How righteous is “more” righteous, exactly?   How do you define ‘acceptable’ amounts of imperfection versus ‘unacceptable’ amounts?

The above theory implies that IF the Lord has a ‘true’ church (however we define that term) and even though He has given mankind free agency to choose good or evil, there’s still some minimum level of righteousness that His true church should always achieve from ward to ward…and the lack of it in one or more wards is, in fact, direct evidence against the Church having true authority and a divine foundation, as it claims.

If we were to assume this ‘minimum level of righteous’ exists for the Lord’s “true” church, how would this standard be enforced, exactly?  Do Church members have less free agency than non-members in some way--where the Holy Spirit physically prevents Church members from committing certain sins beyond a certain level?  If we acknowledge that, say, a priesthood holding male is capable of murdering his wife—as in one famous case in Utah a few years back—then that pretty much removes the bar for what the Lord ‘allows’ Church members to do and what He doesn’t, doesn’t it?

In the end, asking the question, “If this is the Lord’s Church, shouldn’t there be more righteousness among its members?” is essentially the same as those that ask, “If God exists, shouldn’t there be less suffering in the world?”  It is a fair question, after all, but if you acknowledge that *some* level of unrighteousness and suffering WILL exist as part of the master plan, then beyond that you’re just talking about degrees.  How DO you draw that arbitrary line between ‘okay’ and ‘too much’?

If the woman on the south side crossed the street (or moved across town), and had a completely different experience with her new member associates, does that really imply anything at all about the divine nature of the Church and the restored Gospel?  Is the Church really ‘true’ on one side of the street and not the other?

The fact of the matter is: unrighteous behavior among Church members is a reflection of…those individual members.  Period.

This does not minimize the problems that wickedness and unrighteous dominion can create, especially among fellow members.  But in the end, any Church member suffering a ‘crisis of faith’ due to the people around them will have to realize eventually that unrighteous members in the South ward allows you to draw absolutely no conclusion about the Church as a whole—no more than the existence of 'good' members in the North ward does.   Is one side more (or less) representative of the whole than the other?  Does the spiritual power and truthfulness of religion stop short right in the middle of the street?  I don't think so...

Print | posted on Monday, March 03, 2008 7:07 AM | Filed Under [ The Baron General Mormon Culture Family ]

Comments:

#1: Don Y.

While I understand and agree with the position that a ward full of sinners does not make the church as a whole untrue I am wondering how to understand the notion of 'by their fruits ye shall know them' in this context. People often cite the positive effects of church membership as evidence for its truthfulness. Using this same logic isn't it defensible to judge the church to be false if its fruits are apparently bad? Obviously there must be some accounting for members of the church on the whole to accurately judge these 'fruits'. But what balance of good and bad is acceptable and how is the person who happens to find themselves in a less than good ward to procede?
3/3/2008 11:44 AM

#2: The Baron

The problem here is even indirectly it doesn't make any sense to judge the Church or the gospel by people who AREN'T following it. In the vast majority of cases where members complain about the behavior of other members, it is usually very easy to point out the scriptural principle about living a Christ-like life that the latter group didn't happen to follow. What does that prove about those scriptural principles, then, exactly?

Thus, using 'by their fruits ye shall know them', you have to ask, "the fruits of what?" The fruits of "the gospel" can only be judged by those who are living "the gospel". To do otherwise is like judging the success of "abstinence" by looking at the results from people who *weren't* abstinent... What does that prove?

If someone is going judge the Church based on its members, it needs to be the members that are living the principles espoused by the Church, not the ones that aren't... Otherwise, as stated, it becomes a reflection of only those individual members, and nothing else...
3/3/2008 12:27 PM

#3: Dan

I'm fairly introverted by nature. I'm an accountant by profession, and my father was an aerospace engineer. So there's two generations of absolutely no social skills in the gene pool.

When I transferred to BYU it was in the middle of their semester. As luck would have it, I moved into an apartment and none of my roommates were active. For eight weeks I went to church and sat on the pews and hoped that someone would say hi to me. No one did. I hated church for that eight week period. Whose fault was it that I had such a bad experience, mine or the ward?

I was a councilor in an Elders' Quorom Presidency once. We decided that we would go and visit every member that hadn't been visited in a year or so, see how they were doing, and ask if they wanted full time home teachers.

One sister answered her door and chastised us. She said, "My son died a few weeks ago. Where were you?" On a side note, I had been in that ward for years and had never seen her at church.

Whose fault was it that the church didn't know about this?

In both examples I think that I can places where all parties dropped the ball.

It's cliche, but the church is a perfect organization with imperfect people in it.
3/3/2008 5:37 PM

#4: ed42

I've resolved this conflict by saying "The GOSPEL is true, the CHURCH, not so much". It's all in the definition.
3/3/2008 7:37 PM

#5: SilverRain

Remember that "by their fruits ye shall know them" refers to a way to judge the veracity of a prophet, not of a teaching. The way to judge a teaching is to do the will of the Lord.
3/4/2008 4:28 AM

#6: April

I am a recent convert (member for 3 years), and having family and friends not in the church, this topic is often a cause for "concern." Likewise, my husband's family is on the other side of the argument stating - in not so many words - "Unrighteous people in the church probably don't go to church that often and don't live the word of wisdom."

First, thanks for some insight.

I just want to bring it to everyone's attention, however, that there are people in the church who LIVE the word of wisdom, HAVE a calling, GO to church, and THINK they are righteous - but aren't. These people are the ones who say racist remarks, are too lazy to help a neighbor, look at pornography, commit adultery, etc... They are the ones that you assume are righteous.

Instead of visiting the people who don't go to church, maybe we should go to the houses of the unrighteous. Granted, it's difficult to tell that Mr. Smith is cheating on his wife, or his teenage daughter thinks all black people are bad. But instead of focusing Mrs. Johnson, who has to work on Sunday to support her family, maybe we should do a little more investigating before we assume that all members who seem righteous in fact ARE.
3/4/2008 4:59 PM

#7: The Baron

I agree, and think it is, in fact, the active "wicked" members that cause the majority of member/member problems in the first place, rather than any that are already inactive. It tends to annoy people more when they see other members not following the gospel AND see they are still active and outwardly righteous, including having 'high' callings. Instinctively, we wonder, 'why aren't they being PUNISHED, or something? Where's the justice?' I would bet the vast majority of complaints about wicked members from stories you read in the bloggosphere are about "active" members, not just any member.
3/5/2008 7:01 AM

#8: Ana

So (asking all) if you were the woman on the south, and I were the woman on the north, what would you want me to do and say when I learned about your experience?
3/5/2008 10:29 AM

#9: The Baron

I assume you mean if I was the woman on the south and were having this same thought: "I'm having doubts in the Church because I'm surrounded by 'active' members who are not living the gospel!"

I'd tell her to 'take a break', not from the Church as a whole, but from her ward and go visit another ward (my ward across the street, or some other) for a week or more and see that things are not the same from ward to ward.

Oftentimes members' only window into "The Church" is what they see in their own ward, since they rarely get a chance to see "The Church" in other places. In the above linked thread, the author has now "taken a break" from the Church as a whole, when I would have made the point that church experiences differ dramatically from place to place and by seeing other wards (where, for example, the primary president isn't having an affair, etc...) then you start to psychologically realize that "my" ward is not the same as "your" ward...yet--here's the point--they still belong to the same "Church". Then you can judge problems with ward members as problems with ward members, not problems with "the Church".

If you can cross the street to another ward and your "problems" disappear, then what does that say about your personal experience in regards to the Church as a whole? (Not much...)

Part of the benefit of the Bloggernacle is just this factor--here online, you can hear experiences from people from all different wards, and realize that everyone's wards are unique and oftentimes non-comparable...and that you can't judge "The Church" based on your own ward experience because it's almost inevitable we can find any number of wards where that sort of thing is not occurring.
3/5/2008 3:54 PM

#10: Ana

I think what I am really looking for is how to show more compassion for people who have had terrible experiences in church. I haven't had them, but several people very close to me have (and have subsequently left the Church). I have just started to realize how unsatisfactory it is for me to say, "well, I haven't experienced what you're reporting, so I don't really have a response." Problem is, I don't have much of a response yet and I don't know how to respond without validating their conclusion that the Church isn't true. Still trying to figure it out.
3/5/2008 10:31 PM

#11: Stady Canton

One thing I heard repeatedly was "how can the Church be true if Bishops routinely screw up when it comes to abuse/incest cases?" or "Why would they let Brother Johnson and the Primary president go to the temple together openly, after it's known they're having an affair?"

It boils down to the question of a threshold of inspiration, that line referenced above between okay and too much. If there's a recipe for what the true church should be, when it doesn't work, is it the variations of different cooks or is the recipe flawed in the first place?
3/8/2008 2:25 PM

#12: rivendell

Wow. This post is excellent, hits very close to home to me.

People ask why I left the church when I was such a devout member for years. I used to say the people were so petty and childish when I expected divine inspiration, that I couldn't handle it any more.

Everyone kept pointing out that the people were NOT the church, that the people were just that…humans with human feelings, human pettiness, human weaknesses.

I'd point out that they had callings which were supposed to be divinely inspired, so they should have been able to do their jobs reasonably well, but it always came down to the fact that even if the post was divinely inspired, the human in it was not always able to live up to being more than human. I couldn't go there…why would God
get involved in the inspiration game and then be so adamant about free agency?

Very good discussion here.
3/9/2008 10:03 AM

#13: Trossa

As one of those unrighteous members - I live the Word of Wisdom, I go to church regularly, I hold and fulfill a calling, but I have a serious moral problem/addiction/TMI, I want to point out that one thing I've learned, from dealing with a LOT of bishops in a lot of ways is a reaffirment of the principle that while the Church is true, the members are imperfect and progressing towards Christ. We're all not there in one way or another.

When it comes down to it, we're still responsible for staying in the Church despite the imperfections. Our bishop may not be a good bishop for us; people may be unfriendly; the Saints may sin, but we are responsible for our own actions. Can you imagine standing before the Lord when he asks you why you failed to remain faithful, and trying to claim that it was because of Brother Peter Pharisee? Not going to work very well.
4/24/2008 8:57 AM

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