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Demoting The Generals In Heaven

By: Eric Nielson

The First Presidency recently sent a letter to Bishops and Brach Presidents warning them about a false doctrine that has been circulating through the church. The letter may be seen here. And the statement in question is given below:

 the youth of the Church today "were generals in the war in heaven ... and (someone will) ask you, 'Which of the prophet's time did you live in?' and when you say, 'Gordon B. Hinckley' a hush will fall,... and all in attendance will bow at your presence."

 

While the First Presidency has declared this to be a false doctrine, they have not said why it is false. I would like to give my opinion as to why this is a false doctrine, and then to discuss some of the scriptures and theology that are behind this and similar statements.

Statements like the false doctrine listed above are nothing new. I have heard similar statements countless times since my youth. So I was a bit surprised to see this specific statement targeted as being false.

First of all, the whole 'General' bit is way over-the-top. The very idea that God would reveal some type of preexistence military rank for the youth of the church, and that this rank would be that of 'General' is absurd. This alone should be enough for members who hear this statement to dismiss it with a rolling of the eyes.

Then there is the whole worshipful respect for those who grew up during the term of President Hinkley. Why would these youth be so much better than those who will grow up during President Monson's time as prophet? Or Kimball, or McKay? I believe that it is such over-the-top absolute language that is a primary part of what makes the statement false doctrine.

But what if we were to peel away some of the silly language of this statement, would it still be false? To illustrate what I am saying, I will make up a statement that I think is somewhat similar. What would you think of a statement like this?

Being born into circumstances where one will have the opportunity to live the gospel of Jesus Christ during mortality, with the associated priesthood ordinances, is a blessing from God. This blessing is based on a complex combination of factors which include, but are not limited to, a valiant preexistence and the foreknowledge of God.

So would a statement like that above also be false doctrine?

Notice that I said nothing about being born in modern times, or being born into prosperous circumstances. Only mortal access to the gospel of Jesus Christ.

There are a handful of scriptures that would be obvious choices to support such a statement. Abraham 3 and Alma 13 are two that immediately come to mind. There is also the concept of free will and agency which many would believe were present in the preexistence with the war in Heaven and the 'banishment' of 1/3 of the spirits in the first estate.

A couple of key questions (and perhaps many others) arise from this whole concept:

Does God choose what circumstances we will be faced with during mortality?

What are these decisions based on?

The first question is directly addressed in this months Ensign. Elder Robert C. Oaks of the Seventy says the following:

We are each individuals with singular talents, strengths, opportunities, and challenges. We believe we were foreordained to come to earth at a particular time into particular circumstances and that our particular set of gifts, attitudes, and talents - if properly developed and employed - will enable us to fulfill a foreordained purpose. (Your Divine Heritage, April 2008 Ensign, page 47)

So right there in this months Ensign we have an answer to the first question.

The second question may be much more tricky. Alma 13 and Abraham 3 seem to suggest that our faithfulness in the preexistence has something to do with mortality placement. Yet Elder Oaks comment above suggests a very complex combination is involved. I therefore think that no firm or absolute conclusions can be drawn.

I suggest that for the time being we demote the Generals, and place statements like the one that the First Presidency denounced, into the circular file. But what are we to make of the theological ideas and scriptural passages that might motivate similar statements?

Print | posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2008 6:41 PM | Filed Under [ Eric Nielson Mormon Culture Theology ]

Comments:

#1: JKC

This isn't the first time they've had to send the letter either. Elder Packer sent an essentially identical letter to my mission president (and probably others as well, I don't know) back in 2000.

I'm not sure I agree with you that Alma 13 and Abraham 3 say that being born where and when we are is due to faithfulness in the pre-mortal life. Both of these passages, I think, make more sense applied to ordination to the priesthood, not being born in a particular era.

For me, it really just comes down to the fact that he sends his rain and sun on the just and the unjust without distinction.
4/2/2008 10:29 AM

#2: The Baron

There's a difference between saying something is "false doctrine" because it is genuinely false, and "false doctrine" because we don't know it to be true. In the latter case (which I think this falls into as Eric suggests), it *could* be true, we just have no way of knowing with our current knowledge, so it's improper to talk about it as if we knew it were absolutely true when we don't.

There are really two possibilities in regards to how spirits are 'assigned' in mortal life:
(1) it's random
(2) it's not random

If you lean towards (2) (and there's little reason to think 'randomness' plays a large part in the plan of salvation) then you're left with the question of how spirits are assigned. Surely there's some system to how it is assigned, whether by personal needs or individual development, but we don't know what it is, so it is proper not to speculate (...too much). Even if speculation like the "generals' idea turns out to be partially true in the end...
4/2/2008 10:58 AM

#3: The Baron

There's also 'evidence' (in terms of scriptural inferences) that those on the Earth today are NOT the 'best and the brightest' of HF's spirit children. Namely, the doctrine that those children who die before the age of accountability are automatically saved in the celestial kingdom. If you take the (admittedly speculative) doctrine that such children don't live very long because God has determined that they don't need much experience in mortal life in order to obtain a celestial level of spiritual growth...what does that say by implication about the rest of us?

(Compare, perhaps, to most of us having to take classes in summer school because we're behind in our studies while the other 'brighter' children finished early and get to go play...)

In any case, there are a number of different interpretations as to how living conditions today, and/or the era of past or present history one is born in lines up with our spiritual state in the pre-existence. It's all just speculation, when you get down to it...
4/2/2008 11:06 AM

#4: Eric Nielson

JKC:

I think I agree with you about the chapters I mention, but I am not saying anything currently about when or where, but just about access to the gospel and the priesthood ordinances during mortality. Christ wan the most righteous in the preexistence and he was bour a couple thousand years ago into poverty. Adam was apparently an important dude to and he wa 'placed' a long time ago also. So when and where are not as important or relevant to me as is gospel access during mortality.

Another thought to throw in is that he that receiveth light, and continueth in God, receiveth more light. And when we receive any blessing it is by obedience to law.

Baron:

I do lean toward (2) or not random. But I feel the decision is complex and has many possibilities. You bring up a good example of those who die before the age of accountabiity. There is also the thought of those born with mental disabilities and such also getting a free pass to the CK. So firm and absolute conclusions are not advisable.
4/2/2008 12:39 PM

#5: JG

Some additional thoughts:

I believe the falseness here also has to do with an appeal to the pride of the reader. This is a trick of Satan; to use a doctrine that pleases us to confuse the truth.

On the other hand, there can be no doubt that there were individuals in the pre-mortal life who lead out in testimony, faith, and obedience. Whether or not they are called "generals" makes little difference. However, these individuals of great faith were not limited to our times, nor can we claim that it included even a majority of young persons now living.

Further, the only bowing in awed silence in heaven occurs before the Father. We do not bow in reverence to our brothers and sisters no matter what their attainments.

One other thought. The battle begun in the pre-mortal life is only beginning to be ramped up. We have MUCH more difficult times ahead of us (as followers of Christ). I believe a day is coming when we will wish for the relative peace we enjoyed during President Hinckley's ministry. To suggest (as the quote does) that President Hinckley's time was somehow more difficult than others seems very short sighted if not uncharitable.
4/27/2008 4:29 PM

#6: Frank Parker


Guys, in all earnest, this seems to be going off a little to far into fairy tail land. Don't you think?

Imagine another religion came up with something like this, it would be very easy for us to see that this is a nice story but not more.
4/28/2008 7:29 AM

#7: Eric Nielson

Let me try this again.....

JG:

Thanks for your comment. I am in agreement with you.

Frank Parker:

I think the specifics of this quote are off in fairy tail land. But there are important theological issues involved when you believe in a preexistence and a God who is involved with working out our eternal life. Like Baron said, mortality placement is either random or not. If it is not random, itis based on something. What it is based on is quite complex, and these types of statements over simplify this complexity.

Other religions would have to believe in a preexistence to come up with something like this. That is why there are some unique theological issues involved.
4/28/2008 9:54 AM

#8: Frank Parker


Eric, I agree. But where do those theories come from? Maybe from the same place as the original stories came from. It is well known that religious fairy tales were commonplace in Joseph Smith's day.

More I hear about these things, the more I doubt the credibility of the Church doctrine.

Don't get me wrong, I still love the Church. It has become a genuine way of promoting good. But too much of our doctrine seems to be able to be proved inaccurate. Hence my comment about "fairy tale land".

4/29/2008 8:46 AM

#9: Eric Nielson

The main scriptures we usually site come from Alma 13 and Abraham 3. But there are hints of this in the Bible as well. Jeremiah 1:5 comes to mind. There was also the new testiment question of who had sinned, the man or his parents that he was born blind. So these types of thoughts have been around for a long time.

But I still get back to basics on this. Do you believe in the doctrine of a preexistence?

If no, then this discussion is a moot point.

If yes, then is God involved in mortality placement?

If no, then all is random.

If yes, what criteria is used with respect to gospel access during mortality?

This is where the complexity comes in (to me).
4/29/2008 10:03 AM

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