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"Did You Attend 'The Lord's University'?" -- A Look at BYU and Church Schools

By: The Baron

BYU (and its affiliated schools in Idaho and Hawaii) tend to get a lot of flak from Church members--some of it justified.

Many question the need and utility for Church-sponsored universities, especially considering how much is subsidized through tithing dollars. It’s a fair question to ask what purpose BYU serves and whether it is accomplishing that purpose or not.

As a BYU graduate (2001), let’s take a brief look at some of the good and bad with BYU and other Church universities.

Support of LDS living

Why does BYU exist? I would submit its basic purpose is to create a university environment that inherently supports LDS standards.

Naturally, there are plenty of faithful LDS students at other universities, and plenty of students who don’t live LDS standards at BYU. The difference is convenience.

Many students at other universities have shared stories about coming back to their dorm rooms or apartments and finding their roommates (a) watching porn, (b) doing drugs, (c) having sex, or (d) all of the above at the same time. Not a pleasant experience or environment for someone who is attempting to live a “higher law”, not to mention the awkward feeling of being compelled to stay out of one’s own apartment.

Students do drugs, watch porn, and have sex at BYU, of course, just not as openly. It’s easier for students who want to live LDS standards to do so in an environment where LDS standards are supported as the default (and enforced). It’s the other people that feel the pressure to live their desired lifestyle in secret somewhere on the outside.

No one wants to be marginalized, naturally, and there are clear advantages if your school environment is set up to support your lifestyle, rather than fight against it.

"Whited Sepulchres"

The other side of the issue, of course, is that driving non-LDS-standard behavior underground has the potential to create—borrowing the Savior’s phrase from Matthew 23--“whited sepulchres”: people who act pure and righteous on the outside (because they need to due to the environment they’re in), while keeping bad habits hidden away.

Open problematic behavior from an LDS standard perspective may present certain obstacles and temptations to faithful LDS students, but at least they know what that person is about.  Open behavior is fundamentally more honest than hidden behavior, and in many cases (particularly when dating) students may have been better off knowing more about their potential partner's habits and standards through open behavior rather than forcing them to closet it away to meet an outside ideal, where they find out after it's too late.

Dating and Socializing

As a corollary, being surrounded by other LDS students creates more opportunities for dating and socializing. For those students who value dating and marrying within the faith, having a larger pool to choose from is a great advantage.

Outside BYU, LDS students may be forced to choose from a very small pool of Church members, and hope their personalities and interests happen to match up. Whereas at a Church school, with Church membership being almost a given, one can start from the hobbies and interests side and meet Church members who share those interests.  Art, drama, or music majors can find other art, drama, or music majors that share religious beliefs and interests--in theory, creating more productive and fulfilling relationships.

Emphasis on Marriage

An environment that emphasizes marriage, however, may also be a disadvantage.  As most people can attest, there is a two-tiered class system at BYU: those that are married and those that aren't.  The pressure to marry leads to an environment that can be stressful and rewarding at the same time--for many, more the former than the latter.

At BYU, there's an unwritten "Two Date Limbo Zone" that once you've dated someone twice, there's the assumption that your relationship is progressing towards marriage.  If you're not thinking of marriage (with that person, or with anyone), it's usually socially awkward to continue dating.  (DTR -- "Define The Relationship" -- talks are frequent occurances in that limbo zone, where one or both partners make sure that the other partner has the same end in mind for their relationship)

The "meat market" effect brings social pressures that secular universities don't.  Whether that's an advantage or a disadvantage over other schools, where dating pressures often consist of "how quickly can I get this person into bed with me" will depend on the person.

Cultural Homogeny

Having most of the people around you be Church members is useful in situations where that's advantageous (such as dating), but perhaps not so much from a general 'life experience' perspective.  BYU has a large population of students from other countries, although oftentimes they are LDS the same as everyone else.  There's something revealing and inherently educational from having classes or social opportunities with an Orthodox Jew, a Muslim, and a Buddhist.  Part of life is getting to know people different than you, which can be problematic if you've deliberately chosen a university where people are generally...not all that different from you from the beginning.

Cultural opportunities, particularly regarding entertainment, have the same problem.  Official BYU policy affects cultural and artistic opportunities on campus, and only a small subset of artistic experiences that meet Church standards are approved.  BYU "censorship" is a legitimate concern, although it should be obvious to even the most bitter critic that when difficult decisions arise, BYU will *always* be better off leaning towards the "conservative" side of any debate.  (The people who would complain about BYU being "too conservative" on an issue are not nearly as influential as those who would complain about BYU "relaxing" (or "betraying") their standards.)

Still, as a BYU student, I found BYU "censorship" to be way overstated.  If you know where to look, there are plenty of cultural and entertainment opportunities that stretch "Church standards".  BYU International Cinema, for one, and many of the plays put on by the drama department regularly go into what would be "PG-13" material--stuff that I bet the average BYU student would be shocked to hear was actually performed and displayed on campus given BYU's reputation.  Okay, sure, nothing like UC Berkeley's "pornography studies" class, but still more of a "liberal" artistic environment than outside observers might think.

Honor Code

90% of the time when people reference the BYU “Honor Code”—usually in a derogatory manner—they’re not referring to the BYU Honor Code at all, but BYU’s Dress and Grooming Standards.

Virtually all universities have an “Honor Code” which exists more or less to say “don’t cheat”. They are non-controversial.  BYU goes a little further than other universities by including some specific “LDS standards” such as alcohol use and premarital sex which apply even to the non-LDS students. For most LDS members, this isn’t very controversial either--most people don't have a problem with non-LDS students obeying LDS standards, especially when they do so of their own free will by attending a Church school (where their tuition is also partially subsidized by LDS tithing).

Statements from people about “I hate the BYU Honor Code” don’t usually mean they wish BYU students could cheat on tests or drink alcohol—this is usually proxy for complaints about strict rules about facial hair and dress.  About how BYU students are taught to judge by appearance rather than character.

I can sympathize.  As it happens, I, my wife, and just about every girl I knew at the time, admit that I look better with a beard than without.  I stopped shaving the day I graduated.  Still, when I was a student I did shave every day--that was part of being a BYU student in the first place.  In one aspect, many girls may prefer more 'variety' in facial hair to see what they like and what they don't, but in the end, it was really not a major issue for me, nor for most students.  Lots of people like me shaved at BYU (and on their missions) because that's the standard and we accepted it.  Then we graduated, and made our own decisions.

(One important note: it is *really* easy to get a ‘beard card’ at BYU.  One roommate tried it to see just how easy it was, and telling a doctor he had ‘sensitive skin’ was all it took. Ironically, he tried to grow a beard now that he was ‘legal’ but found he couldn’t, beyond some longer ‘lambchop' sideburns.  The point being, beard standards are not that big a deal in practice on campus.)

There are legitimate "Honor Code" complaints, although mostly about how things work in practice rather than the Honor Code itself in theory.  Most BYU students know that if your roommate is about to report you to the Honor Code office the best way to get away with it is to report them for something instead, even if you have to make something up.  The Honor Code office has traditionally been poor at finding out the truth, rather than reacting to whoever gets their ear first.

And friends of mine have stories about being called to account for (and pay fines for) really stupid things that even the most conservative General Authorities would admit is a little over-the-top.  There's plenty of room for improvement, even if the principle behind it is sound.

Conclusion:

In high school (in Idaho), I was good friends with a girl who said that even though she was accepted, she'd never attend BYU.  "I'm a fifth generation member," she explained, "My family are all members.  My extended family are all members.  All my friends are members.  All my neighbors are members.  I need to go somewhere else, where I can find out for myself what I believe and how I want to live without being constantly surrounded by Church members."

Ironically, as a convert and the only member in my family, I specifically chose BYU for the purpose of (for once) being "constantly surrounded by Church members".  That just shows the process for me "finding myself" was different than my friend's, as you might expect.

Basically, Church schools are what they are.  There's nothing really secret about the environment they present.  I enjoyed my time at BYU immensely, as have many others.  Many complaints about BYU's "culture" (oftentimes just an extension of LDS "culture") are fair, but BYU is what it is and prospective students should take that into account.

I believe all of the above advantages and disadvantages should be evident to anyone who's researching it and considering where to go--thus everyone should be able to decide whether going to a Church school is a good fit for them or not.

Print | posted on Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:35 PM | Filed Under [ The Baron General Mormon Culture ]

Comments:

#1: The Baron

(Yes, it is slightly ironic that I posted this at the same time BYU just made the news for shutting down their women's research institute, but I'll let other people comment on that particular issue.)
11/5/2009 7:52 AM

#2: Jack

I attended BYU and a public university. If I had it to do all over again, I would stay at the public university. I was happier, I was a better member, and I wasn't seriously annoyed by something the school did every day I was there.
11/5/2009 8:09 AM

#3: Michael

I joined the Church in Pennsylvania at age 19 and went out to BYU six months later. I big change in my life and my family's life.

Going to BYU was the best thing for me to nourish my young testimony and to discover many truths of the restored Gospel that I would not have learned as quickly back home. I also worked in the MTC and ended up going on a mission at age 22.

I truly feel that church schools best serve those who do not have the overwhelming LDS mountain culture to deal with. If you were raised surrounded by Latter-day Saints then it is best to get away to college in California or the Northeast. If you have been part of the minority all your life then church schools are awesome!

11/5/2009 12:07 PM

#4: Téa

Jack, are you a convert? If so, it would hold with the general pattern I've seen of those who loved BYU, et al, as illustrated by Baron's concluding story and Michael's comment. I believe Paradox is enjoying her time there on campus as well.
11/5/2009 10:19 PM

#5: Jettboy

Not all "non-converts" end up disliking BYU. One thing I loved about it is that there was nothing in the honor code that I didn't already observe. The dress and grooming, as well as other standards, was already a part of my life. Its not that hard to decide that BYU isn't for you and, well, go to another school. That is, unless your life is controlled by someone else and therefore you might as well find a way to cut those ties or suck it up. A love of diversity seems to demand that places like BYU exist for more choices. I did go to a State School, although still with an LDS population. The biggest difference I saw was people formed little groups instead of one big organizational group. It was an extension of high school without the teenage angst.
11/6/2009 9:39 AM

#6: mandm

I'm a lifer, and loved my experience at BYU. Sure, there are sometimes quirks, but honestly, that would be the case anywhere, because we are humans.

I still love BYU.

11/8/2009 1:11 AM

#7: Paradox

I'm enjoying my time at BYU immensely. Getting away from the small town on the east coast where I was raised was important to me, but I could have gone to any number of schools to do that. What I wanted was the opportunity to do things that members often take for granted--like going to the temple whenever I felt like it. That ALONE is an amazing perk of being here. Opportunities to hear from the leaders of the church on campus, and to attend General Conference have also been dear to my heart. And while I've already had some run-ins with some professors who wanted the Honor Code to be more optional in regards to their class discussion and material than it ever should have been, BYU is what we would call "mostly harmless" when it comes to objectionable living.

And really, you would be surprised at the amount of diversity you'll find on BYU campus. I've celebrated 2 or 3 Jewish holidays with the Hebrew club already, and we have at least one more to go before the semester ends. My peers have lived all over the country and the world, whether for missions, their parents' callings or jobs, or simply because they're from other countries. I have member friends from Singapore and the Phillipines, a non-member friend that I adore to pieces because she's from the poorer side of things like me, an apostle's nephew (let's just say I know two Elder Christoffersons right now), and everyone in between. I've learned that there are lots of different kinds of members because there are lots of different kinds of people, and learning to deal with that has definitely shown me how much I don't know about the world, and how much I want to love it anyway, and I know that would have been nearly impossible for me to learn had I not been at BYU.
11/8/2009 4:55 AM

#8: Sita

Lot of students from Nepal and other countries attend BYU. As a foreign student BYU never seemed home. . I am not mormon and will never be in a million years. I was constantly thought by these racists as some Mormon the missionaries bought from some poor family. The truth was the opposite. I was able to grin and bear it for the sake of a bachelors degree. Had to put up with racism , mainly from girls! Happy to be finally out.
The girls at BYU are a joke!
One thing that was and is still mind boggling is the professors were really nice ad decent people! How come some people in the Mormon community are genuinely nice?
11/16/2009 10:38 PM

#9: Eric Poulin

I always thought the temple was the "university of the Lord".
http://bit.ly/5e0usp
1/17/2010 1:06 PM

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